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CVT belt slippage will likely happen to anyone owning an ATV sooner or later. While as frustrating as it might be, there is often no reason to let it ruin your day.

A wide variety of reasons may be causing it, where most of them are just a normal part of owning an ATV. Other times it may be a sign of severe damage to the clutches, and expensive components may be necessary to fix the issue.

I recently experienced belt slippage on my own bike (Polaris Sportsman XP 1000). I was out trail riding with some friends when we decided to go up a small river. The water in the river was only in the ballpark of 15-20 inches deep. I expected my trusty Sportsman would have no problems handling it.

After riding in the water for about 5 minutes, the bike suddenly started losing its forward momentum. I was barely able to get it onshore with the little that was left.

It turned out water had gotten into my belt housing, causing the slippage. Luckily I had brought some tools and was able to drain all of the water. This fixed the issue, and after some laps in moderate speed on dry land, it was ready to go as normal again.

Out of interest, I decided to do a little more research on the subject as soon as I got back home. It turns out water is just one of many potential causes of why this is happening.

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Cause 1: The belt is worn past its serviceable limits

Many don’t realize that ATV belts (the belt in your CVT, continuously variable transmission) are indeed meant to be a serviceable wear item on the bike. Over time it will wear, and eventually, it needs replacing for the bike to function properly.

There is a variety of reasons why the belt wears out. Causes like excessive heat or poor riding style will greatly shorten the life expectancy of the belt. These will be covered further down in this post.

High age or high mileage is another common cause. If you see any cracking inside the cogs when you remove the belt and bend it backward, it’s time to replace it.

bend atv belt cracks

Also, look for any chunks missing. If so, you have no other choice than to get a new one.

Over time the aramid cord within the belt will gradually lose its strength and adhesion, and you’ll get what’s known as flex fatigue.

If you start losing top-end power, this may be a sign of your belt starting to wear thin. You should find your belt’s minimum width in your service manual.

Remove the belt and use your calipers to measure the width in three different places. This will ensure a correct reading, and you will also tell if the belt is evenly worn or not.

If the reading you get is below the stated minimum, it’s beyond its serviceable limits and needs replacing.

CVT belt ATV new and old worn bad

Cause 2: The belt has become wet

Another widespread cause of belt slippage is the belt somehow becoming wet. The water will greatly reduce the friction between the belt and the clutch sheaves, leaving the whole transmission pretty much useless until it gets dried up again.

If this happens and the belt starts slipping, you mustn’t just give it full throttle trying to compensate. The spinning will create immense heat in only one spot, creating permanent damage to the belt.

You need to remove the moisture before you can drive any further.

The belt-case is made to prevent water from getting inside but cannot be considered completely waterproof.

Your belt cover will have a rubber seal, but if it is somehow damaged, twisted, or in some other way not seated properly, water will get inside.

Errors like these will from time to time slip through the factory quality control. A simple refitting of the gasket may be all it takes to fix the issue.

More common is water or snow entering the belt housing through its air inlet or outlet.

These ports need to be there for proper cooling of the CVT, and even though the manufacturers have improved the design of these inlets over the years, they won’t cope with every situation.

Even if you ride in shallow waters, water may splash and get sucked in if you ride too fast when you hit the water. Low speed is the key when riding in water or powdery snow.

Also, riding in low gear will allow you to keep the RPM’s up, optimizing the airflow out the exhaust port on the casing, preventing water from entering by blowing it out.

If you really wish to make your bike into a submarine, installing a good snorkel kit to extend the inlet and exhaust port will be your best bet.

Another way water can get in would be unlucky and punching a hole in the CVT housing itself. Riding in areas with a lot of dry branches increases this risk. The housing is often just made out of plastic so that it can be broken.

This happened to a friend of mine. He found no issues with the seal, but he found a one-inch hole straight through it when he removed the cover. If the damage is not too bad, some strong sealant will patch it right up again. Alternatively, you can always get a new cover.

And finally, you have situations like the one I told about at the beginning of this post. When I got back home, I noticed that some of the bolts on the CVT housing had started to come loose, creating a small gap where water would enter.

ATV CVT belt cover gap

All it takes to fix this issue is to tighten these bolts and keep an eye on them in the future. If the problem reappears, I will use some Loctite on the bolts’ threads to keep them in place. Do not overtighten these as this will rip the threads of the plastic housing.

What to do when the belt gets wet?

Regardless of what caused water to enter the housing, you need to drain it. On the bottom of the housing, you will find a drain plug that can be removed. On Polaris bike, this is a red plastic plug.

ATV CVT clutch cover belt housing

Let the case drain completely before you start the bike again. Let the bike idle for some time in neutral to let the fins on the clutch do their job. You can even rev it a little to speed up the process.

The airflow from the venting system will gradually dry up the belt and clutches. In just a couple of minutes, you should be able to start riding again gently.

Start at low speeds with little power to let it dry completely. If you hammer it right away, it will start slipping, potentially damaging the belt in just a matter of seconds.

Cause 3: Damage to the inside of the clutch sheaves

With the belt removed, check for any grooves, nicks, or other damages to the inside of the sheaves. This will wear the belt prematurely and needs to be addressed.

In some cases, the damage can be repaired, and in other cases, you need to get ned clutches.

Cause 4: Something disrupting proper belt cooling

If you smell or feel your belt slipping at speed, it could be possible that your belt is heating up and not cooling properly.

Ideally, the bike should be able to keep the belt cool with its belt housing cooling system. And it’s actually a relatively simple system.

The fins on your clutches will suck cool air in the inlet port on the belt housing, where it’s being blown directly to the primary clutch before it’s being pushed out through the exhaust by the secondary clutch.

If something is disrupting this airflow, you will soon start to experience issues with the belt getting too warm, and you’ll get belt slippage.

Start by having a look at the exhaust port. If it’s full of mud, a simple cleaning will fix the heating issue. Also, have a look at the intake port to see if anything is blocking it.

Over time the rubber in a belt running too hot will start hardening until eventually, it will crack, and the cogs will peel off. This happens much sooner when the cooling is not functioning properly, so checking up on it regularly may be a good investment.

Cause 5: Black haze on the clutches

If you’ve ridden for some time with the belt too hot, you should inspect the surface of your clutch sheaves. If you can see something that looks like a black haze on them, this will be belt residue from previous belt slippage or even residue from normal belt wear.

This needs to be removed; otherwise, your belt is going to continue slipping. Even putting on a new belt will be useless before you get this stuff removed.

Use a Scotch Brite pad with some alcohol or acetone to rub it all off. If this does not work, you can try with some very fine sand-paper. In a worst-case scenario, you may have to replace your primary or secondary clutch.

Do not use brake cleaner as a detergent, as this will negatively affect belt performance.

Cause 6: Broken spring in the secondary clutch

If the bike does not want to take off smoothly but is jerking away, almost like it’s slipping, and then act as if it’s shifting gears, it may be because of a broken spring in the secondary clutch.

You need to take off the belt cover and inspect the spring. If the spring is broken, it needs replacing.

Cause 7: You’ve got the wrong belt installed

If you’re experiencing belt slippage after installing a brand new belt, you may have gotten the wrong size. Just a small difference in dimensions can affect its performance.

The difference can be hard to spot with just the naked eye, so make sure you compare the specific model number to your bike’s required belt dimensions before you purchase.

If you intend to use this kind of belt each time you change it, you can use shims to alter the clutches’ setup.

Cause 8: Installing bigger tires

One of the first upgrades many do to their bike is installing a set of bigger mud tires. Keep in mind that doing so will affect how the clutches operate at different speeds.

The clutches will operate less efficiently, which creates more heat, which may lead to belt issues.

This can be prevented by installing a clutch-kit that allows the clutches to operate efficiently with your chosen tire size.

Cause 9: Heavy towing or riding in mud/snow in high gear

Another common rookie mistake is using high gear range when towing, riding up steep hills, riding in snow, or deep mud.

Doing so will burn the belt in no time, and as soon as you start smelling burnt rubber, you know it’s time to slow down.

Using the low gear range in situations like these will allow for better cooling because of the higher RPM’s and allow the clutches to entirely shift where they will get a better grip on the belt, which will result in lower heat and better momentum.

Cause 10: Belt is burned

Too much heat will burn the sides of the belt, creating a shiny glazed look. This can happen to the whole belt or just to specific spots.

When the belt has gotten one or more of these burnt spots, the bike won’t take off without a significant jerking sensation. You will also smell burnt rubber and maybe even see some smoke.

To avoid this from happening, you need to do whatever it takes to keep the belt cool.

After some tough riding, it’s a good idea to put the bike in neutral and rev the bike for some seconds to cool down the metal clutches. This will prevent them from continue cooking the rubber in the belt after the bike is turned off.

After a hard pull through the mud, the last thing you want to do is to just shut off the bike as the remaining heat in the

Cause 11: The clutches are out of alignment

If the drive and the driven pulley are not aligned properly, you may experience belt slippage and other performance issues.

The clutches can be aligned using a model-specific alignment tool and procedure. For Polaris bikes, the tool you are looking for is known as the “offset alignment bar.”

In addition to the tool, you will need to get your hands on a service manual if you wish to perform this procedure yourself.

Cause 12: Bad clutch bearing

If a bearing inside the pulley system has gone bad, it may cause the pulley not to release the belt.

Grip the clutch firmly with your hands and push it in any direction to see if you feel any slack. If you do, it might be time for an overhaul.

Cause 13: Belt is not properly broken in

A typical rookie mistake that some doo as soon as they get the immense power of a new ATV between their hands is hammering the throttle before the belt is properly broken in.

They do not realize that this is a surefire way to ruin the brand new belt in no time. The belt will burn, and you’ll get belt slippage.

All new belts need to be broken in properly to ensure proper belt performance and longevity.

This will be a good procedure to break in the belt:

  1. Start by cleaning the belt with soapy water before installing it to remove any grease and oils from the manufacturing process. Let it dry completely before you install it on the bike.
  2. With the belt installed, bring it up to normal operating temperature by running through the entire shift range, all while never exceeding 3/4 throttle. This will take about 15 mins of conservative riding.
  3. Shut down and let the belt cool completely. This may take about 30 minutes.
  4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 once more. Now you are ready to start shredding the trails!

Cause 14: Mud, sand, or other debris in the CVT system

ATV’s are meant to be ridden in dirty conditions. But if you’ve been pushing the limits a bit too much, or if your CVT housing is not properly sealed, you may have gotten sand, mud, or some other debris inside that is interfering with the proper function of the clutches.

Have a look at the air intake or exhaust port if they somehow have come partly loose, enabling dirt to enter. Any loose tubes need to be refitted properly.

Symptoms of a dirty CVT may be that the clutch will not engage until on higher rpm’s than usual, jerking, belt slipping before it catches and goes.

When this happens, proper cleaning is likely all you need.

Start by removing the cover and the belt. This would be enough to get a decent result, using some engine degreaser and a pressure washer to clean everything. Let dry before you reassemble. Try this first to see if it fixes your issue.

If it does not, a more in-depth cleaning may be necessary.

You will then need to remove the clutches and disassemble them for further cleaning. You will, in most cases, require a unique tool to disassemble your specific clutch.

PS! Be aware that the spring inside may be under tremendous pressure that needs to be released using the proper tool before the clutch can be disassembled safely. Different brands use different tools to achieve this.

If you are not comfortable doing this on your own, any dealer should have the tools to quickly take the clutch apart so that you can clean its insides as well.

Remember to put grease on the bushings and a drop of oil on the rollers before you reassemble.

Cause 15: Worn or stuck rollers

Inside the primary clutch, you will find three or more rollers that roll up and down the helix when you increase or decrease the engine RPM. This is the mechanism behind the clutch sheaves moving apart or together according to how much throttle you apply.

Over time, these will wear out. Any issue preventing them from rolling freely may result in a clutch that is not functioning properly.

You may get belt slippage because the sheaves won’t be able to make proper pressure in the belt, or it won’t have the necessary range of motion needed to function at higher speeds.

I had this issue on an old snowmobile once (the same principals applies to ATVs with CVT systems). It would work fine in the lower gear range, but as soon as I pushed it slightly in the higher gear range, the belt started slipping.

I disassembled the clutch and found the rollers were badly worn on one side. So after a good cleaning and greasing (in all the right places) and a brand new set of rollers, the clutch was as good as new—no more belt slippage.

Cause 16: Worn helix or clutch bushings

This cause is in the same ballpark as issues with the rollers. If the helix is somehow damaged or worn, the rollers will not be able to roll freely up and down as they are supposed to. Look for any cracks or burrs that should not be there.

Sometimes the whole thing will blow up into pieces, leaving you completely stranded.

When you have the clutch disassembled, you should check the bushings in the secondary as per the service manual.

Related questions

Symptoms of a bad ATV belt

Loss of performance can be a sign of a bad ATV belt. If you see cracks when you bend the belt backward, if chunks are missing, or the belt sides have a glazed look, it is bad and needs replacing.

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Haavard Krislok

I'm an ATV and offroad-enthusiast, an engineer, a farmer, and an avid home-mechanic. I'm also the owner and editor of BoostATV.com. If you have any questions or suggestions regarding this article, please feel free to contact me.

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PRO XP CLUTCH FIX

PRO XP CLUTCH FIX

POLARIS PRO XP, NOT SO PRO AFTER POLARIS PRO XP CLUTCH FIX

Dear Sarge,

I have a 2020 RZR Pro XP and, as delivered, I really loved it, even with the occasional belt slippage. Polaris had me bring it back in, and they installed a stiffer secondary spring to combat the belt-slip issue. The dealer claimed all the later 2020s were to be equipped with it this Pro XP clutch fix. After the “upgrade,” I find the upshifting to be slow, and I don’t feel like it is quite as fast as it once was. Sarge, am I imagining this or is it real?

Terry Durocher

Apple Valley, California

Private Roach, the Pro XP clutch fix your dealer installed was a Band-Aid fix for the belt slippage produced by the Pro Zooter’s motor! It certainly cured the slippage, but it destroyed the clutch sensitivity in my opinion. You can reinstall the old spring and overheat the belt from slippage or install a clutch kit that fixes this problem. There are several fixes out there. One of the most complete is from Aftermarket Assassins here: https://aftermarketassassins.com/products?olsPage=products%2Frzr-pro-xp-s3-clutch-kit-103-1007. Fifty sit-ups, Boot, for this valuable information! Dismissed!

POLARIS GRAVELY POWER STEERING?

Dear Sarge,

On our farm we are Gravely. If they make it, we own it! As my father ages, however, he has expressed an interest in power steering for our 2017 996200 model. Our dealer didn’t think there was a kit available for the 2017s and tried to up-sell us to the new JSV 3000 2020 model, which comes standard with power steering. Sarge, is there some kind of retrofit kit available? Since they use the Polaris engines, I would think that a Polaris power-steering kit could be made to fit.

Jason Collins

Lenox, Idaho

Private Colon, the 2017 Zooters had the option of adding a power-steering kit. Apparently, your dealer is more interested in up-selling you than providing the correct information! The power-steering kit is P/N 796023 at a cost of about $1,500. Since the UTV aftermarket doesn’t list a power-steering kit for your Zooter and a Polaris kit will not fit (just because the powerplant is a Polaris doesn’t mean everything else is the same, Boot), I would suggest you look at SuperATV.com for its 220W Universal Power Steering kit here: https://www.superatv.com/universal-power-steering-kit-170w-220w. At $550, it is only 1/3 the cost, Boot, and it will do the same thing! I am sure you can install the kit and do the required welding. It should be simpler than repairing most any other piece of equipment on a modern farm! If this kit is truly for your father, I do not want to see a report that you are out enjoying it! Count off 25 and we are even, Boot! Dismissed!

XP 1000 PREMIUM, NOT SO PREMIUM

Dear Sarge,

I have a 2020 Polaris XP 1000 Premium. I barely have 125 miles on it because it jumps ahead when in gear when slowing down to idle, and it simply refuses to shift unless the engine is turned off. It is a long haul back to the dealer, so I thought I would query you as to whether there was a simple fix for this so-called “Premium” XP 1000.

Tom Perry

Harvey, North Dakota

Private Ferry, if you had called your local motor pool, they most likely would have told you about Notice R020-01 from Polaris. This is a recall explaining that your poor shifting may be due to the ECU calibration preventing the throttle plates from returning to idle position. If the engine is above idle, Boot, the CVT is partially engaged, and it is always harder to shift when there is a load on the transmission. Contact your local motor pool immediately to schedule the recall service, and stop trying to force that transmission before you really do break something that is not under warranty or you will be painting rocks on the parade grounds for your entire rotation! Dismissed!

FOUR-FOOT-NINE AND READY TO RIDE!

Dear Sarge,

Being vertically challenged all my life, I have had to adapt in many ways. Step stools are my friend. I purchase clothing in the kids’ sections of stores, and I have to have a booster seat and pedal extensions for my auto. What I really want to do is drive my own UTV when my husband goes out riding in the desert. If I drive my husband’s XP 900, I can’t reach the pedals and I can’t see well with the UTV inc. seat-lowering base that he installed for me. Is there a decent kid’s UTV that bridges the gap between a true child’s machine and something capable of trail use by someone my size.

Kerry Lane

Elco, Nevada

Actually, Private Lane Change, there is. I would look at the Hisun 250s, namely the Sector (Ranger Clone) and the Strike (RZR Clone). We reviewed it here: https://utvactionmag.com/test-hisun-strike-250/. At 229cc, it is the largest engine for a child’s Zooter and will provide adequate trail power with its high/low transmission, whereas the standard child’s Zooter is mainly designed for around the yard or relatively flat riding areas. Also, being a bit larger than the standard children’s Zooter, it should fit you better. The list of standard equipment rivals a full-size UTV and far surpasses a child’s machine; however, there is another route—the single-seat Polaris Ace 150. But, it is only a 150cc engine with no headlights like the Hisuns have (if you ride at night). Let me know what you chose and why. Dismissed! ο

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MACHINE TROUBLESHOOTING

Trouble

Gear Shift will not shift

into gear

Transmission noise

Less vehicle power

No brakes or brake

noise

If you have any questions, consult your local dealer.

Troubleshooting

Cause

High idling speed of engine

High rotary speed for clutch

connection.

Gear shift connection is not

adjusted properly

Gear abrasion

Misaligned

clearance for the

inner and outside gears of

transmission shaft

Misalignment of transmission

gears.

Incorrect connection of gear

end face

Parking brake

Hydraulic calipers

brakes are stuck closed

CVT transmission sliding

Less brake oil

Air inside the braking system.

Brake discs abrasion

Assembling bolt of disc plate

loose

Assembling bolt for disc brake

clippers loose

10-4

Countermeasure

Replace throttle cable;

Replace throttle petal

Replace the throttle

Replace the junior clutch spring;

Replace the primary clutch.

Put the gearshift rod into the

position of "N".

Put the gearshift arm of engine

into "N".

Adjust the stay wire and the bolt.

Lock tightly.

Replace the gears

Replace the gears

Replace the gears

Replace the gears

Loosen the lay-up rod

for disc

Contact the dealer.

Removing the grease for the

clutch.

Replace CVT transmission belt

Replace the clutch.

Check the braking oil level

Contact the dealer.

Contact the dealer.

Lock tightly

Lock tightly

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Lexus Introduces a Hydrogen Combustion UTV/ROV

By Alex

Earlier this week — and after much anticipation — Lexus unveiled the new 2022 LX 600 SUV. It's a luxurious American version of the new Land Cruiser and shares a V6 powertrain with the new Toyota Tundra pickup. The LX wasn't a shock; it's just about the most characteristically "Lexus" vehicle one could imagine, except perhaps the LS sedan. But Lexus also released a different vehicle you would not have expected this week.
At the end of the LX announcement video, Lexus teased a new mobility concept called the "Recreational Off-Highway Vehicle," or ROV. It's an all-terrain vehicle — or, as we will choose to interpret it, a supremely badass golf cart — that runs on a hydrogen combustion engine. Sadly, Lexus did not include an utterly superfluous spindle grille, although the shape of the front end will certainly remind you of that shape.



An ATV makes perfect sense as a showcase for hydrogen combustion. One of the technology's most significant drawbacks for current production use is that it can't produce as much power as gasoline combustion engines with the same size engine footprint. So a low-speed wood path cruiser could get away with far less power than a recreational on-highway vehicle.
Read more from source: https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/a37974052/lexus-off-road-atv-concept/

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