So much fun, it should be illegalby Jonathan Lopez, on LISTEN22:58
What’s it take to create a car for “enthusiasts?” What are the ingredients? Truth be told, there are plenty of four-wheeled recipes out there if you wanna stir up some excitement, but sometimes, what you really need is that classic combo of two doors, power in the rear, low weight, and faultless poise in the twisty bits. Considered traditional fare amongst those with a taste for gas-powered adrenaline, modern interpretations usually carry a price tag that’s out of reach for most. Not so with the 2017 86.Toyota frames it as an affordable sportcompactcoupe engineered for switchbacks rather than straightaways, taking aim at the kind of person who lives for canyon runs rather than stoplight drags. Tossable, controllable, and above all, fun – these are the things that make this kind of car go, and thankfully, Toyota hasn’t strayed from the original recipe.
I recently got a chance to drive the 2017 86 in its native environment – winding, deserted two-lanes stretching towards some far-flung mountaintop. But the question is this – will the new 86 satisfy, or leave a bitter taste in your mouth?
Continue reading to learn more about the 2017 Toyota 86.
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Model History And Background
The 86 nameplate is plucked from Toyota’s history, paying homage to the “AE86” chassis code used by enthusiasts as a synonym for the iconic Corolla GT-S. Produced for a brief period in the mid-‘80s, the Corolla GT-S remains a true cult classic, offering the same low-weight, RWD antics that the modern model attempts to duplicate.
Created as a joint project with Subaru, the FT-86 eventually evolved into the production two-door sports coupe we know today
In 2009, Toyota introduced the FT-86 concept at the Tokyo Motor Show. Created as a joint project with Subaru, the FT-86 eventually evolved into the production two-door sports coupe we know today, taking the name “86” in Asia, South Africa, South America, and Australia, and “GT86” in Europe. Meanwhile, Subaru dubbed its version the “BRZ” across all markets.
Stateside, however, Toyota called the 86 the Scion FR-S, effectively setting the standard for max smiles-per-dollar in the youth-oriented brand’s lineup. Now, with Scion’s demise, Toyota is absorbing the good stuff and rebadging it as its own, simplifying the model name to “86” globally.
Changing the name did not change the character of the Toyota 86, the sports coupe first introduced in the United States as the Scion FR-S and a twin to the Subaru BRZ. So we’ll go ahead and sound like a broken record, having already said over and over again: “Great balance and fantastic steering, but it needs more power. Turbocharge it.” The relative lack of power has been the main point of discussion since the car was announced. Though some argue it’s fine as is, the Subaru-assembled boxer four is drumming up a lot of business for aftermarket tuners that promise they can squeeze more out of it. For their part, Toyota and Subaru say that adding power would add cost, complexity, and mass. They sound a lot like Mazda talking about its similarly modest Miata, actually.
A light, supremely balanced rear-wheel-drive sports coupe such as the 86 entices enthusiasts with its manual transmission, but there’s another choice, which is the subject of this test: a six-speed automatic transmission, which costs an extra $720 and brings paddle shifters to the back of the steering wheel. According to Toyota, this was the choice of 60 percent of its 86 buyers through July of this year. Is their experience just as fun?
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After Toyota nixed the Scion brand, the FR-S—already known as the Toyota GT86 in other markets around the world—reemerged in the U.S. as the Toyota 86 with a few small chassis upgrades, an altered interior, and a lightly refreshed exterior for 2017. Though the car’s shape looks more akin to the 2000GT’s, the numerical name is a call back to the famed rear-wheel-drive AE86 Corolla of the 1980s.
For models with a manual transmission, the 2.0-liter flat-four was upgraded to make 205 horsepower at 7000 rpm and 156 lb-ft of torque at 6400 rpm, improvements of five units each. As with the Subaru BRZ, though, Toyota didn’t upgrade the engine on cars with the automatic. Those are still rated at 200 horsepower, sent through a 4.10:1 final-drive ratio versus manual cars’ new differential with 4.30:1 gears. Revisions to the dampers and spring rates apply to versions with both transmissions.
Toyota said the decision not to include the engine upgrades on cars with the automatic was intended to create differentiation between the two. The manual is positioned as a hard-core model with potential for track duty, while the automatic has more appeal for people who might be buying for style and daily drivability in traffic. If you’re thinking five horses don’t make much of a difference to marketing or performance, we’re in agreement.
Though we’re still team #savethemanuals, automatic transmissions don’t have quite the negative connotation they did 10 years ago. Many high-end sportscar and supercar makers don’t even offer manuals, because computer-controlled twin-clutch transmissions now can launch harder and shift faster and more accurately than humans can. Such gearboxes actually maximize the cars’ performance while at the same time being more efficient. But this is not a high-end car, nor is it superfast, and rowing the gears is part of the total experience and appeal.
That’s especially true because the 86’s transmission is not the latest twin-clutch design but a conventional torque-converter automatic. This six-speed transmission’s shifts feel quick and crisp enough, and Toyota’s Dynamic Rev Management blips for downshifts, but this is one case where a driver using a clutch pedal readily outperforms the automatic. This engine’s lofty 6400-rpm torque peak means there is little thrust available at most speeds without kicking down a gear or three. The steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters at least make this easier with solid action and a satisfying click; if you choose Sport mode, the car holds the selected gear until told otherwise (it’ll bump the rev limiter rather than shift for itself), which infuses at least a small amount of manual fun.
But that just reminds you of the engine’s struggle—it doesn’t sound great, it has a definite midrange sag in its torque delivery, and it’s not particularly eager to rev. That said, the flat-four does contribute to the dynamic package by lowering the center of gravity, aiding handling.
By our measures, the automatic version weighs 57 pounds more than the manual 86 we tested, and, at 7.7 seconds, it needed 1.5 seconds more to get from zero to 60 mph. Braking from 70 mph occurs in 165 feet, within four feet of the manual’s performance, while skidpad grip is 0.90 g, an insignificant 0.01 g better than we measured with the manual.
Toyota said its recalibrated suspension tuning for 2017 is intended to produce sharper turn-in response, and our drivers noted that it had improved over the Scion in this respect, but it’s pretty much the same car as ever—balanced and entertaining but not fast. Its steering doesn’t feel as lively and responsive as a Miata’s, resembling instead the more relaxed approach of the Fiat 124, but it’s still well within the spectrum to make driving fun.
The Toyobaru duo has always had a functional interior. Pleasant? Not exactly. The new Toyota 86 boasts a refreshed interior, though, that is lined with what Toyota calls Granlux. It’s a faux-suede material used to surround the infotainment screen, cover the passenger-side dashboard, and wrap the upper portion of the doors, lending the cabin a warmer vibe. Contrast stitching on the door panels, dashboard, fabric seats, center console, and shift boot add more style, and the grippy, leather-wrapped steering wheel is an ideal size for sporty driving.
However, using the same shift knob as the manual shifter is corny, and a grained plastic used throughout the cabin looks cheap. If cupholders are a priority to you, know that they weren’t to Toyota; they’re located just about where you want to rest your right elbow, making for an awkward reach and arm-to-cup collisions (albeit fewer than in the manual model). We’d say they’re at least convenient for rear-seat passengers, but it’s doubtful that anybody would willingly sit in that tight space.
A final frustration is the infotainment system, which, like the rest of the interior, has improved but not enough to be good. It looks, feels, and performs like an aftermarket unit. The Bluetooth had trouble staying connected, there’s no Apple CarPlay or Android Auto compatibility, there’s no native navigation function, and the eight-speaker audio system sounded tinny. Owners would be well advised to find a mount for their smartphones and maybe consider aftermarket upgrades to the audio system. Unlike the BRZ, which offers a choice between Premium and Limited models, the 86 has only one trim level and no option packages.
There are roughly twice as many vehicles plying American roads today as when Toyota was building the original AE86, and the appeal of an automatic in denser traffic zones is indisputable. Yet the manual fosters a better car-driver connection, and the 86’s clutch and gearbox aren’t enough of a chore to work that they create a huge issue in traffic. In today’s market, getting 40 percent of buyers to choose the stick in any model is a huge thing—take rates on manuals are more typically 3 to 5 percent—and this test illuminated why it is so popular.
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 2-door coupe
PRICE AS TESTED: $27,870 (base price: $27,870)
ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 16-valve flat-4, aluminum block and heads, port and direct fuel injection
Displacement: 122 cu in, 1998 cc
Power: 200 hp @ 7000 rpm
Torque: 151 lb-ft @ 6400 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed automatic with manual shifting mode
Wheelbase: 101.2 in
Length: 166.7 in
Width: 69.9 in Height: 50.6 in
Passenger volume: 80 cu ft
Trunk volume: 7 cu ft
Curb weight: 2811 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 7.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 20.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 33.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 8.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 16.0 sec @ 91 mph
Top speed (redline limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g
EPA combined/city/highway: 27/24/32 mpg
C/D observed: 27 mpg
C/D observed 75-mph highway driving: 37 mpg
C/D observed highway range: 480 mi
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86 Speed Review (edited, edited again)
UPDATE: please READ through the whole thing before constructing conclusions. 86SPEED has reached out to me and KW has verified they directly distribute to 86SPEED. Boxing will vary. 86speed says the damage to the coilovers are purely from Shipment damage. though my opinion still stands.
So this is my personal experience with 86speed. (not ft86speedfactory).
Towards end of November, I placed an order for KW Clubsport Coilovers. I didn't get a tracking number or response until i reached out to them.
They claimed these are special order and they're back stocked. Ok i guess. I kept a tab on them to find out when they would ship and towards the end of December they told me to expect 1/15 for a tracking number.
1/15 rolls around and I call them because I didnt get an email and they said they're waiting on KW to ship them, saying that "they are mean people" and and they are responsible for not sending them. a few days later they eventually tell me that they got the shipping info, and KW is shipping them straight to me. I should expect it around late Feburary- mid March.
Two short weeks later they told me they're shipped. (this doesnt match their story of KW shipping directly to me, nor does it match their statement that they're back stocked. if they were back stocked I would need to wait until the new shipment arrives) tracking shows it was coming from Nevada and when the box arrives, the packaging is strange and messy. (I would not expect KW to have unorganized packaging.)
I open the box and the coilovers top hats are slanted due to nut lodged in the top. When shown to other users on this site, they suspect they are used.
link to that post:
I'm starting to question the authenticity of their story and where these coilovers actually came from. When I asked for shipping paperwork from KW they brushed it off.
EDIT: I CONFIRMED FROM KW THAT THEY DO DISTRIBUTE TO 86SPEED, THEY CANNOT GIVE SHIPMENT PAPERWORK BECAUSE IT CONTAINS PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. THEY COULD NOT CONTACT ME BACK BECAUSE OF BUSY SCHEDULE, SHORT STAFF, SICK STAFF MEMBERS. NOT THEIR FAULT FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTACT ME BACK.
Still, I decided to give them a second chance and I asked for them to replace the broken/used coilovers with new ones and they said they would fix it. The second box comes in worse than the first. same messy organization and the box looks like it was repackaged (no KW logos or anything this time).
instead of opening it right away, I ask them if theyre selling me used or refurbished and they claim they "don't sell used products. EVER."
so i opened the second set they sent me and they seem more used than the first set they sold me... scratches and knicks all around. Marks from tightening nuts and discoloration.
I would advice anyone to stay away from 86Speed. While i can't confirm if they were used, in my opinion they did not seem brand new at all. When I had questions on whether they were used or not, where they came from, for authenticity i tried calling them during different times of the day and they never picked my call up. (before things went south with them, I could always get someone to pick up and answer some time during the day. It seems they were ignoring me.)
UPDATE: THEY WERE BUSY AND UNABLE TO PICK UP. THEIR POLICY. I DONT AGREE WITH IT BUT AT LEAST THEY WERENT IGNORING ME. AGAIN, KW HAS CONFIRMED THEY DISTRIBUTE TO 86SPEED.
Links to Pics
1st set of coilovers : https://m.imgur.com/a/DGH73ng
2nd set of coilovers: https://imgur.com/a/bIJugHG
Last edited by Ranran; 02-24-2020 at 01:04 AM. Reason: had to add link to pictures, fixing title, have to reword.
It seems like we’ve been down this road before, doesn’t it? A special edition Toyota 86 that’s exclusive to the Japanese market is nothing new and yet, as often as our friends in Japan get these limited edition 86s, we haven’t had as much luck in that regard. In any event, a new limited-run Toyota 86 is fresh from the oven over there in Japan, and it’s promising, among other things, improved braking, sharper handling, and a special edition paint color. It’s called the Toyota 86 Solar Orange Limited and yes, it’s not coming to the States.
The upgrades themselves didn’t turn the 86 Solar Orange Limited into a full-blown performance car, but in the technical sense, they helped create a better driving experience for those who are willing to spend the money for the car. In a lot of ways, it’s similar to past special edition 86s that have made their way into Japan, including the 86 Yellow Limited and the curiously designed 86 Style CB. The latter is arguably the most unique of the three examples, but the Solar Orange limited is different too in some respects. The Creamsicle paint finish, for example, is exclusive to this edition, as is Toyota’s new High Performance package, which adds a number of functionally useful components that help improve the 86’s overall driving and handling experience.
Toyota didn’t say how many examples of the 86 Solar Orange Limited it plans to build, opting only to say that pricing starts at 3,251,880 yen for the manual transmission model and 3,318,840 yen for the automatic transmission model. Based on current exchange rates, those prices convert to around $29,400 and $30,000, respectively. Interested customers have only between January 31 to March 10, 2017 to place their orders, after which Toyota will likely stop production to retain its overall exclusivity.
Continue after the jump to read more about the Toyota 86 Solar Orange Limited.
Read moreSours: https://www.topspeed.com/cars/toyota-gt86/ke4085.html
Review 86 speed
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